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MensajePublicado: Lun May 26, 2008 12:59 pm    Título del mensaje: Top 10 en Organizaciones Odinistas-Asatru Responder citando

Se me ha ocurrido que podríamos hacer un poco de historiadores, y echar cuentas, del "renacimiento del paganismo" y sus organizaciones:

Vamos a adoptar el siguiente criterio de prioridad, si os parece bien:

Para las organizaciones "vivas"

1.- Fundadas antes del año 2000
2.- Que sean Religión Legalizada en su pais
3.- Estar todavía en funcionamiento
4.- No ser Religión legalizada pero sí asociación, cultural o de otro tipo


Para las organizaciones "muertas"

1.-Fundadas antes del año 2000
2.-Que estuviesen legalizadas en cualquier momento de su historia


Podemos hacer una lista con las Asatru y con el resto de los paganismos, celta, etc...
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MensajePublicado: Lun May 26, 2008 1:09 pm    Título del mensaje: Responder citando

Para que las fuentes sean neutras, he ido a wikipedia, y en el nº1 tenemos a:

The Íslenska Ásatrúarfélagið "Icelandic fellowship of Æsir faith (Ásatrú)" is an Icelandic neopagan new religious movement with the purpose of reviving the pre-Christianization religion of Scandinavia. It was founded on the summer solstice, 1972, and was recognized as an official religion by the Icelandic government in 1973, largely due to the efforts of Sveinbjörn Beinteinsson.

As of 2006, the Ásatrúarfélagið has roughly 1000 members, referred to as Ásatrúarmenn.

Sveinbjörn Beinteinsson acted as allsherjargoði from 1972 until his death in December 1993. He was succeeded by:

* Jörmundur Ingi Hansen (born 1940), 1994–2002;
* Jónína Kristín Berg (born 1962), acting steward 2002–2003;
* Hilmar Örn Hilmarsson (born 1958), 2003 to present.

According to religious studies scholar Michael Strmiska, "the surviving texts and other related materials concerning the original Norse Pagan religion are too fragmentary and incomplete to provide a definitive basis for all Ásatrú rituals and pursuits, and must be judiciously supplemented by ideas and practices improvised in the present or borrowed from other sources."[1]

fuente:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Dslenska_%C3%81satr%C3%BAarf%C3%A9lagi%C3%B0

Fundada en 1972 y legalizada como religión en 1973.
La pionera en el mundo, ejemplo de hacer bien las cosas Mr. Green
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MensajePublicado: Lun May 26, 2008 1:16 pm    Título del mensaje: Responder citando

Es una buena idea pero no entiendo 2 cosas.

1-¿Con que objetivo o finalidad se hace esta idea?
2- En la parte de organizaciones "vivas" que quieres decir con:
-4.- No ser Religión legalizada pero sí asociación, cultural o de otro tipo
Si antes hay escrito:
-2.- Que sean Religión Legalizada en su pais

Creo que antes de todo, hay que tener la mente clara, apra despuñes tirar hacia adelante con lo planteado, pues asi el trabajo se ará más rápido y fácilmente.

Espero que tu idea pueda seguir adelante, pero siempre tiniendo en claramente sonre todo: la Finalidad/Objetivo y como tirar hacia delante el trabajo.

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MensajePublicado: Lun May 26, 2008 1:19 pm    Título del mensaje: Responder citando

La Asatru Folk Assembly o AFA es una organización Ásatrúar con base en los Estados Unidos, fundada por Stephen McNallen en 1994. Es sucesora de la Asatru Free Assembly, fundada por McNallen en 1974 y disuelta en 1986, A su vez siendo ésta un desprendimiento del grupo llamado Viking Brotherhood, fundado por McNallen en 1971. La desaparecida Asatru Free Assembly es a veces diferenciada de la mordena Asatru Folk Assembly utilizando los términos "vieja AFA" y "nueva AFA", respectivamente.

La AFA ha sido reconocida como una organización religiosa sin fines de lucro, en los Estados Unidos. Esta basada en Nevada City, California.

Desde 1997 a 2002, la AFA fue una organización miembro de la "International Asatru-Odinic Alliance".

fuente:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asatru_Folk_Assembly

Resumiendo:

Fundada en 1994
Legalizada al amparo del artículo 501(c), No tengo datos ¿?

Hay que señalar que en USA, no se puede legalizar como iglesia, bajo este artículo están organizaciones tan dispares, como la AFA o la asociación del rifle.

Una ayuda para saber en que año se acogió al artículo 501(c) Rendicion
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MensajePublicado: Lun May 26, 2008 1:27 pm    Título del mensaje: Responder citando

Thorbjorn Sterki escribió:
Es una buena idea pero no entiendo 2 cosas.

1-¿Con que objetivo o finalidad se hace esta idea?
2- En la parte de organizaciones "vivas" que quieres decir con:
-4.- No ser Religión legalizada pero sí asociación, cultural o de otro tipo
Si antes hay escrito:
-2.- Que sean Religión Legalizada en su pais

Creo que antes de todo, hay que tener la mente clara, apra despuñes tirar hacia adelante con lo planteado, pues asi el trabajo se ará más rápido y fácilmente.

Espero que tu idea pueda seguir adelante, pero siempre tiniendo en claramente sonre todo: la Finalidad/Objetivo y como tirar hacia delante el trabajo.



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Hola:

Pues la finalidad es saber cuantas organizaciones Odinistas-Asatru en el mundo, algo así como "para tener un fichero"

2.- En la organizaciones vivas, porque hay paises donde puedes ser religión y por ejemplo solo eres asociación cultural:

por ejemplo : Les Fils D'Odin, son asociación cultural en Francia pero no tienen estatus religioso.

Tienes que tener en cuenta que una asociación cultural se hace nin ningún problema, eso tiene poco mérito.(pero algo tiene, mejor que nada)

Espero haber aclarado tus dudas Vikingo
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MensajePublicado: Lun May 26, 2008 1:34 pm    Título del mensaje: Responder citando

Sigo:

Los del COE!!!

tengo una duda:

el Circulo Odinista Español nace en el 1981, y el 2007 se transforma en Círculo Odinista Europeo, que luego se transforma en la "Comunidad Odinista de España-Asatru" Reconocida como Confesión religiosa.

¿Como valoramos estos cambios? lo digo por el cómputo de la antiguedad, ¿o solo cambia el nombre?


Ya direis algo
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MensajePublicado: Lun May 26, 2008 1:43 pm    Título del mensaje: Responder citando

¿alguien me puede decir que es esto?


http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=1385341


¿Es que la Asatru Free Assembly no estaba desaparecida?

Pero al parecer si que le puedes enviar donativos, por lo que fiscalmente debe estar activa:

In Care Of Name
(the officer, director, etc. to whose attention any correspondence should be directed)

STEPHEN A MCNALLEN


domicilio:


ASATRU FREE ASSEMBLY
1766 EAST AVE
Turlock, CA
95380-4225


Sorpresa Sorpresa Sorpresa
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MensajePublicado: Lun May 26, 2008 1:45 pm    Título del mensaje: Responder citando

¡Háils Iskander!

Grácias por aclararme ciertas dudas que tenía en mente. Me gusta entender las nuevas ideas y formas de pensar de los demás.

La idea no es mala, pués partenece como "História de la eligión pagana Ásatrú-Odinismo".

Esto que has planteado solo acaba de empezar, y hay mucho que hacer, primero hablarlo y plantear que hacer y después, como trabajar lo planteado.

Que Odín te de la Sabiduría suficiente para así poder conseguir tu objetivo final.

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MensajePublicado: Lun May 26, 2008 1:57 pm    Título del mensaje: Responder citando

McNallen, Stephen A. (1948-)

Stephen A. McNallen, the pioneer advocate of modern Norse Neo-Paganism in North America, was born in Brecken-ridge, Texas, on October 15, 1948. He attended Midwestern University in Wichita Falls, Texas, and during his college days discovered the deities of the ancient Norsemen and began to identify with the Viking element in his own ancestry. He eventually dedicated himself to Odin and the whole of the Norse pantheon, though he kept this commitment to himself and a few friends. However, in the winter of 1971-72, as his college career was coming to an end, he released the first issue of The Runestone. Previously he had placed an ad in Fate magazine, and compiled a list of potential subscribers from it. From those who responded he founded the Viking Brotherhood.

McNallen completed his degree in political science and was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the army. He did his basic training at Fort Benning (Georgia) and was assigned to a unit in Germany, where he served for the remainder of his term. The Viking Brotherhood continued at a minimal level until he returned to the States in 1976. He settled in California and began to meet with Norse Neo-Pagans in the San Francisco Area.

McNallen actively developed his understanding of the Asatru (or loyalty to the Germanic deities) and shortly after his assuming active leadership in the brotherhood, he reformed it as Asatru Free Assembly. His efforts received a significant boost when the first edition of Margot Adler's survey of the contemporary community, Drawing Down the Moon, appeared in 1979. He even appeared on the radio show of Christian evangelist Bob Larson, which provided further national exposure. He continued to edit The Runestone and compiled a book of Norse rituals. Feeling burned out, he dissolved the assembly in 1987, though he did not abandon his faith. Others continued the work of the assembly in various alternative organizations and McNallen moved to northern California. He obtained his teaching credentials and got a job teaching science and math in a junior high school. In his spare time, he traveled to northern India and Burma and turned his observations on the political and military conflicts into articles for national magazines.

In 1992, McNallen felt ready to resume his leadership in what had become an expansive international Asatru community. He revived The Runestone and founded a new fellowship group, the Asatru Folk Assembly, modelled on the previous Asatru Free Assembly. He has also continued his global travels, beginning with Africa and Bosnia in 1993. He maintains the Internet page for the new assembly at http://www.runestone.org.
Sources:

McNallen, Stephen A. Rituals of Asatru. 3 vols. Breckenridge, Tex.: Asatru Free Assembly, 1985.

——. What Is the Norse Religion? Turlock, Calif.: The Author, n.d.
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Yo creo que se entiende todo Guiño es un ingles muy facilito, es una pequeña biografia de un gran luchador.

Me gustaría saber por qué disolvió la Asatru Free Assembly, ¿presiones?
pero por el post de arriba, creo que legalmente aún funciona, aunque sea a efectos fiscales Mr. Green
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MensajePublicado: Lun May 26, 2008 8:02 pm    Título del mensaje: Responder citando

http://www.runewebvitki.com/Stephen%20McNallen.jpg

Su nombre es uno de los tres pilares del Asatru-Odinismo moderno Vikingo

He abierto el link de la antigua AFA y al parecer puedes ingresar dinero(obviamente no he llagado hasta el final del proceso, visa, etc...)

Es posible que aunque la AFA la disolviera Stephen McNallen, a nivel legal todavía siga existiendo, pero sin actividad pública.

Yo creo que el grupo mas combativo de todos ha sido el de Asatru Free Assembly, a partir de ahí se propagó el odinismo por todo el mundo...

Else Chistensen, ha sido la persona que mas ha dedicado su vida al Odinismo, más incluso que Stephen McNallen.

Yo pondría en el nº 1 a The Odinist Felloship, aunque la verdad, desde que murió Else la organización parece muerta...

Sobre el COE, tengo que consultar los datos, ya te diré en que estado están las asociaciones.

Pues la verdad que este hilo me parece genial, Creo que nuestros mayores, se merecen un recuerdo. Para mí, todas las personas que luchan por nuestra religión-sean de la tendencia que sean- me merecen el mas serio de los respetos.

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MensajePublicado: Lun May 26, 2008 11:12 pm    Título del mensaje: Responder citando

Pues investigando, ahora me entero que en Islandia hay DOS ORGANIZACIONES legalizadas Razz

os paso una entrevista-ya vieja-:

http://www.grapevine.is/default.aspx?show=paper&part=fullstory&id=1530



Nordic Gods Alive in Reykjavik
by Greg Bocquet
Published in: Issue 18 on Friday, December 01, 2006

Jörmundur Ingi, a real-life modern druid, is head of the Reykjavikur Goðar, one of two officially recognized Pagan associations in Iceland. In his position as Goði, he performs marriage and funeral services, and spreads the word of the naturalistic beliefs of ancient Iceland. The Grapevine sat down with Jörmundur Ingi to discuss the influence of ancient beliefs on Icelandic identity, politics, and the resurgence of the gods in Reykjavik.

Paganism, in many ways, is a universal belief system. What makes Icelandic Paganism unique?
In Icelandic stories, you have tales of what happens if you disturb the Mother of the salmon, or the Mother of the flounder, a fish about ten times bigger than any whale. She lets you hunt the flounder unless you get greedy and take too much. Then she will destroy the ship, because you have become to greedy. I see the beginning of the Nordic religion in shamanism. Shamans were simply very strong personalities who were the strong leaders who knew about the sun, the moon, the winds, the changing seasons, connected to nature. Nature was the enemy of primitive people – you always needed to pacify nature.

Where is Paganism most popular in Iceland?
Strangely enough it splits exactly in two. In small, what you would call primitive fishing communities, and mostly in the Westfjords where they have been, until recently, sustained by the seals. There, people are Pagan without being members of any organization, they just know this is how things are and how they have always been. It has been passed down. In Reykjavik, people have been sort of split off from nature, but only very recently. Almost until 1970, everyone kid in Reykjavik was sent out into the country during summer vacation to work on the farm. Everyone who was born before then has worked on a farm, so the connection with the country was much stronger.

Why are there are two Pagan associations in Iceland?
There should really be 36 separate groups. This was, I belive, the object of the three who united into Ásatru Félag, which was the first Pagan association in Iceland, in 1972. When I was leading the group, I tried to organize this as close to the ancient organization as possible simply because I thought that nothing has been invented ever since that comes close to the old Icelandic republic. This was not accepted by others in the group so we split up, also there where other issues which we will not get into. The ancient system was a mixture of a religious power and very much of people deciding, because you would have 36 Goðar spread over the country, and if you didn´t like your representative, you could simply leave and attach yourself to another one. It was a very direct democracy.

In Icelandic politics, we see many initiatives that seem to exploit Iceland´s natural environment. How do you interpret the government´s behavior, specifically with their policies that have been controversial for Icelanders and foreign groups alike?
We should do like the ancient people did. We should be scared of nature. We do know, and I have pointed out for decades, that there are no sins. The idea of sin does not exist in Paganism. You will bear the consequences for your actions, like karma in India. The price you pay for overfishing is no fish next year. The price you pay for overgrazing is no grass next year. With the whaling issue, I am not even sure whether I support the decision to start commercial whaling, but in Iceland we feel that we have the right to decide this ourselves. It´s ridiculous to think that the killing of seven whales this year and 39 next year is going to ruin the stock of whales. I can state categorically that there is one wrong thing in the whole scheme, and that is the whalers that say that “the whales eat our fish, so we have to kill them.” That is ridiculous. So right there, that will make my support a little shaky. Whales cannot deplete the oceans of fish, but man can because we are not living in the ocean. We are taking things out of the ecosytem. I think that human beings not only have the right to utilize the land like any other living creature in the world – to graze, to mine, to fish, even to make dams – but in reality we are obliged to. So if you don´t graze, that is also bad. You have to keep the balance. It is the excessive use which is bad, and this is when you are making decisions for the wrong reasons, like the dam at Kárahnjúkar which will never make any money. They just crossed their fingers and built the dam and it hasn´t leaked, at least not yet, but no one knows what will happen when it is full. It is too big a risk for a very small gain, so it is wrong.

So Paganism is the original Green Party?
We would be, as I say, ecological, but in the sort of way that we should not back away from everything, ie. no dams, no fishing, and so on, because if you live in nature without ever touching nature you also upset the balance. Thirty years ago when you talked about Paganism as an ecological religion, it was OK because ecology was not in fashion. But it sounds corny when you say it today because it looks like you are trying to cash in on the ecology trend. There is a good parallel that we are acting ourselves into a corner where we are so dependent on electricity and oil and new technology. Science will tell you that it doesn´t matter because there will be a new science that will solve all the problems of the old one. This is basically the same as what the prophesy of the Sibil in Völuspá states, except that there will be a crash, a collapse before you can go on.

Do you think Iceland will bear any ill consequences of its actions?
If you go against nature, nature will revenge. And you have to explain the word revenge, or hefna in Icelandic, it means simply to even things. If you upset the balance, nature will even things out, there will in other words be a new balance. Just like the Mother of the hunting animals, you go too far and you will pay the price when nature evens it out.

As “Goði,” what does your role as a spiritual and ceremonial leader entail?
I am licensed to perform marriages, and we have funeral services also. They are all based on old ceremonies. This would probably not be a very scientific way of doing it, but when I prepare a ceremony, I go to old law books, to the sagas, to all sorts of old traditions which often preserve a great deal of ancient knowledge. I simply go to my subconscious, to the things that my grandmothers and great-grandmothers told me. I am sure I have forgotten most of it but it is there. I know that I have succeeded in this because people say “this is a beautiful ceremony” and so on, but they also say “it is so Icelandic.”

How does one become a Pagan? Is there a so-called “sacred” text?
The sacred text would be the Eddic poems, but Snorri´s Edda is the key to understanding them. If we didn´t have Snorri´s Edda, we wouldn´t know anything about the Nordic sagas. We would be walking in the dark. It is all so vague, but Snorri explains it. To be a Pagan you must think of all of nature and the whole world as a balance, and everything is very close to being stable. This is what people, especially people living in cities, have a little bit of difficulty understanding: preserving too much is just as bad as destroying too much. There is no good or evil there, the good thing is to just have the scales be immobile. When people go too much on what they consider to be the good side, they will tip the scales just as much as if they do too much on the negative side.

Does your organization have a training center? Do you do any outreach?
No, we are not allowed to do any missionary work. It is our own rule. If you convince someone that they should change religion, it doesn´t hold. You may become a member of that religion on the surface, but it doesn´t hold. We have spoken at schools, even kindergartens, but we have not had seminars or courses in Our Way, as Icelandic Paganism is properly called. We would like to, at least I would like to. We used to have a huge building here down by the harbor, but it was sold after I quit. They plan to build a new one, and that will start on the first of December.

If you are not actively seeking new members, how will interest in Ásatru grow?
It´s a strange thing – it is growing mostly in Reykjavik, where it would be, in the good sense of the word, a nationalistic trend. It has become organized now that there are probably around 900 people, at least in my old group. People realize that this is maybe the best way for the younger people to express that they are actually Icelandic. One reason that Paganism is coming up could simply be because the church is losing ground. The strata that is underneath is only coming up when the patina of Christianity is starting to fade away. This is so much alive in Iceland that it is not considered strange to be a Pagan. It is such a part of the national identity that it´s very difficult to define Iceland without mentioning the ancient Paganism.

lo que no dice es como se llama la otra organización.

Vikingo

Pues efectivamente Jörmundur estuvo hasta de 1994 hasta 2002, pero se ve que llegaron los renovadores y ahora quien lidera la veterana organización es:

Hilmar Örn Hilmarsson

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